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I have been busy again. I’ve been wrapping up a few projects, and nor Uncle Pete is on way hold for a short time while I finish up the paying work. Not the least of which placed upon hold will be the continuation of work on my next feature. We’re only a few weeks away from the big trip to do the documentary on the weighty subject of the Holocaust and a survivor’s story. I’ve been plugging away finishing off the non-fiction book and I can say I’m floored. I’m gripped and to hear the real life person tell her tale will put my best foot forward.

In the world of UNCLE PETE, the big news is that I got featured on the main page twice in one day on Will Ferrell’s FUNNY OR DIE, and then the next day I got my notice that the first installment will be featured on their Verizon VCAST on the mobile devices. These are big scores and a boon for a comedy short.

One of the stipulations for getting selected for the mobile devices was that there must be no cursing, which lead me to the real meat of this blog entry.

I tend to go against having cursing in most of my movies. Early on, I had a few scripts and then movies that had a lot of cursing, but in the years since, I tend to tone it down to the point of nonexistence. I curse like a horny sailor in New Orleans Parish in real life, but not so much in my scripts. If I allow a curse word, it had better be pretty intense or appropriate. I’m a stickler for making my movies not only accessible, but curse words are a weapon and they have to be used sparingly and to effect.

At the very least use of profanity had better be perfectly in character for the person saying them, or the potency of the language is lost to minutiae. Some people have a character swear up and down and so the power of those words becomes meaningless, and there was no reason for that character to even use the bad words.

How many times have we seen a movie or video online and the people swear… and swear, and then you realize it’s almost every other word? It’s numbing to the point that you wonder if they have any clue how much they are using profanity. If the choice of words doesn’t emphasize anything, then where do you go with the language?

I’m not against the use of profanity in movies, just against their OVERUSE. I cannot emphasize enough the potency of WORDS…

That leads to nudity in film. I have always maintained that at the stage where I’m at, and have been at, that it would be a failure if I had to resort to nudity to sell a movie I’m doing. Again, I’m not against nudity in film, and have no problem with other people using sex to sell their own movies. Anyone else can do whatever they want and my respect level doesn’t raise or lower – I can only put this mandate on myself and my own movies.

It was suggested in my first feature, HORRORS OF WAR in case you didn’t know the name, that we have a nude scene… in a World War II Sci-Fi-Horror-Action movie. Sure, that’s the kind of movie that has a gratuitous sex scene in it. This set my mind ablaze. I was dead set against it, but knew it might effect whether or not we get the money and distribution, so I decided I would give them their nudity and sex scene all right… but I made it a rape scene. The cliché in horror films is a gratuitous and plotless sex scene, so I made it a plot important, and unsexy, unappealing rape scene. No one will watch this and jerk off, and I placated the nudity mandate, and I got to deal with weighty, dramatic fodder. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever directed and the emotional repercussions weighed in on me.

Nudity in film is fine. I have no problems with it when other directors or films have them, but for myself, I can only use it if it’s truly essential to story, character, or plot. In movies like THE ENGLISH PATIENT or hell even PORKY’S, nudity and sex were used eloquently in their respective genres and films, but I’m not ready to make a film like that yet. Maybe, even soon perhaps, I might have a tasteful sex scene, or a shot of a naked person, but I’m still in the learning phase of filmmaking. I don’t want to use something like nudity as a crutch or titillating sellable element until I know it’s something I can control the situation and work very very very comfortably with the actors with a great deal of discretion, maturity, and sensitivity – none of which am I capable of yet.

Am I still raising the bar on myself as a filmmaker?

Both elements, cursing and nudity also relate directly to marketability. In the realm of short films, if I have a single curse word, or even the slightest edge of a nipple, I can kiss several opportunities for distribution or exhibition goodbye. There are several far “better”, or funnier shorts on FUNNYORDIE.COM, but why did Uncle Pete get selected to be on their Verizon VCAST? Because it was “clean”. I was aware of those elements as a producer, and as a director, I found it more challenging to make a dark, intense, very adult series without cursing. No one really wanted to see George nude, except maybe Micah, but still… I am making the choice to sparingly use profanity and not use nudity as artistic decisions, actually challenges to myself, but they have the side benefit for marketability.

I can’t speak for anyone else, nor am I passing judgment on anyone else’s films, choices. Believe me, I could not have made it through puberty without some of the finest Cinemax movies on after 11:00PM. God bless Shannon Tweed and Andrew Stevens!

Something should also be said about filmmakers waiving around Non Disclosure Agreements as if their ideas are sacred and have such value that they are desperate to keep a lid on it.... then have their cast/crew already telling everyone about specifics. It's a waste of time to do NDA's if you don't have any significant money involved in the process. Who will really be scared by a contract if the filmmakers can't afford to pay anyone $5 a day or $10 a day to participate? Then they obviously can't sue anyone and the NDA is worth less than the paper it was ink jet printed on.

Come on kids! If you aren’t investing money in an attorney to draft the specific Non Disclosure Agreement and you’re using the free one from SONNYBOO.COM (your source for free paperwork for filmmakers), then it’s very much the fodder for giggles behind your back. What can you do about it if someone breaches the contract? Write a blog about them? That’s about as intense as the retribution can possibly be when you have NO MONEY.

Seriously, if no one has ever paid you for your ideas or movies, then you can pretty much be assured, they aren’t actually worth anything… YET. That’s not to say that you won’t later need one, but not when making a DV short that has made no money and probably won’t. No reason to get ahead of yourself and pretend to be someone and somewhere you are not. When you have an investment that goes beyond buying people a few pizza’s to be on set, like maybe when you get beyond the tens of dollars and into the tens of thousands of dollars, the Non Disclosure Agreement might be a good idea, and make sure that a real attorney makes revisions specific to your needs. If you can’t afford an attorney, then do NOT waive a NDA in front of an actor with an ounce of experience and expect them to take it or you seriously.

The whole point of the Non Disclosure Agreement is that it represents consequences if the contract gets broken. If you can’t do anything to anyone that breaches the contract, then all you are doing is masturbating to your own ingenuity for having an NDA, but then everyone will blab anyway, long before your epic DV short gets on YouTube.

Who are you protecting the idea from? Other DV wannabes? Stop acting a fool! Get over yourself. Who are these idea thieves wanting the incredibly valuable movie ideas from unknown filmmakers that have never made anyone, anywhere a penny? If you can’t sell anyone the idea for your movie, then no one is stealing the idea and making it themselves. Spend these precious moments on an aspect of the film that might actually mean something… like investors, or a post production workflow, or casting or anything else that might be of more use than a Non Disclosure Agreement that has no teeth.

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Well my droogies, the Boo must rest. He hits the gym early in the A.M. I’m sustaining my 4 times a week at the gym and I haven’t failed to maintain, so I intend to keep at it. I only have 51 pounds to lose till I am happy. That sounds like a lot, but it’s really even more than it sounds. It feels more like 100 pounds, and looks like 150.

Peace and harmony, plus a side order of ham!
Peter John Ross

Average: 10 (3 votes)
frightymcgee's picture

Just so everyone knows

That last part, the third segment, is all about me. The thing is it's being taken way off base. I'm not hear to make any drama, but I'm not going to let Ross post crap like this all over the place and not respond to it.

I do in fact often use a Statement of Confidentiality when producing my work. It has absolutely nothing to do with people stealing anything from me, nothing to do with lawyers, nothing to do with money. The confidentiality is purely for fun. Not my fun alone mind you, but the fun I hope to bestow upon people when they get to see the final product of my completed movie. 

I hate when people ruin movies for me, I hate knowing about details of someone else's work while it's being made. Other than for educational value I rarely dig into other people's productions and most of the time it's after they've done the work and I just ask how they did things. 

Call it my need to deliver something to my community and those who watch what I'm doing that is a surprise. Movies these days often piddle out because of all the coverage they get in promotion and pre-marketing, the last thing I want to do is add to that.

The purpose of the statement I have people sign is just to show them that I'm serious about then not talking about what we're working on. I know I can't do anything about it if they do, so I'm cool with using the honor system about it, however this often shows those folks who are not so honorable and can't be trusted or just want to ruin someone's fun.

Just for kicks and to show how non-threatening these agreements are here's the one I get people to sign off on.

 

I, the undersigned, understand
that I will be receiving information regarding a work in progress that is to
remain confidential between TEMPERED ZEALOT PRODUCTIONS (J. Michael Lewis &
Jerod Brennen) and myself. I therefore agree to hold completely confidential my
exposure, knowledge and opinions of the Confidential Information except as
requested by Tempered Zealot Productions and to maintain full Non-Disclosure of
said information to any person.

The confidentiality of
information continues in effect until the completion of the work in progress and
its ultimate release to the public or until such information is officially made
public by TEMPERED ZEALOT PRODUCTIONS.

 

Not much to it at all and in fact I just had someone sign one I wrote out on a scrap of paper. I don't take the agreement super seriously, it's just a symbol of good will between me and the people signing it.

Seems some folks just can't have fun or let others have fun. Cool

 

veenotph's picture

All is fun until someone . . .

I signed an NDA one time when this guy wanted me to shoot something for him. I thought it was odd, and didn't really think much of the project - ended up not working on it - Here was the thing. He refused to give me a copy of the NDA for my records, because it had the name of the project on it. Stupid and amatuer on his part, and the last straw a to why I wasn't going to work on his project. Finally he agreed when I told him I wouldn't sign anything unless I got a copy (He ended up trying to cross out the name of the project.)

Standard operating procedure - you sign something, get a copy of what you signed.

I signed a confidentiality agreement to be a beta software tester, I had to clear that I could mention I was a beta software tester. Had to be careful not to discuss the features of the new versions of the software or how functional they were, because they didn't want another editing system to hear about their ideas and get a jump on copying them.

If you just don't want people discussing your film, then just ask them not to. If they are unscrupulous, then don't work with them or talk to them.

An NDA is realy an important document. It is all well and good to "have fun", but at somepoint if you aren't taking the NDA seriously - why are you doing it? By the way, you may have actually just rendered any NDA you have someone sign as useless because you have publicly stated that you don't take it seriously.

I don't want to hound you about this, and I'm not passing judgement on you. By all means make the films the way you want, and in the manner you wish. I understand that you don't want people spoiling the movie for others, but paperwork is serious business, and it seems like you are asking people to jump through hoops as you wrote "Just for fun."

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

frightymcgee's picture

I do take it seriously. Just

I do take it seriously. Just because it's for the fun of it doesn't mean it's not serious to me. And the paperwork isn't the "fun" part, I'm not playing with paperwork, the fun part is the idea that I don't want people talking about the work. The thing is I can't do anything about it if someone defaults on the agreement. The intent isn't to lock people into something threatening, it's to get across the idea that I'm quite serious about not telling people about what I'm working on. I think that point is missed in your response. I'm not making light of the paperwork at all, but seriously, what can I do if someone decides it's all bullshit? Nothing.

veenotph's picture

Simple

frightymcgee wrote:

The thing is I can't do anything about it if someone defaults on the agreement. The intent isn't to lock people into something threatening, it's to get across the idea that I'm quite serious about not telling people about what I'm working on. I think that point is missed in your response. I'm not making light of the paperwork at all, but seriously, what can I do if someone decides it's all bullshit? Nothing.

So simple, Write whateve agreements you want, make your film your way, cool.

Someone I was working on with a film once referred to the Director/Producer as "Playing at Filmmaking." Because he kept running around going " I can't believe I'm making the film, I can't believe I'm making the film."

We all get seduced by the drama, and joy of making the film, it just seems that you are extending it to this paperwork issue. Making people sign something that you have no desire to enforce. It seems like such a waste of energy. That's just my taske on it.

As far as enforcing it, It is weird you write you are serious about not telling people what you are working on, but you are telling them? Who are you telling and why? If it is a producer, document the meeting, and if they steal your idea, SUE THEM. I've sent a script to a few producers. Script is writers guild registered and copywritten. I don't need to tell them this, as I'm looking for someone to work with, not impress.

It seems to me, that you are almost just going through the motions here, not taking your own paperwork seriously. What exactly are you trying to protect? Or are you going for a mystique, and showmanship?

If you have someone sign an NDA, and the NDA spells out the penalties for breaking the agreement, you can take them to court for those penalties (I believe - I am not a lawyer), if there are no penalties spelled out, then you can seek recompence for damages caused by their breaking the NDA - if you can prove damages (again, I'm not a lawyer.) If you don't believe in the agreement, then I'd suggest to stop wasting your time.

I hope this is helpful man, I don't want it to be derisive. It is just my thoughts on it, not right or wrong or the only way to do it.

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

frightymcgee's picture

Making people

Quote:

Making people sign something that you have no desire to enforce.

That's not it at all. I do have a desire to enforce, I just can't do it legally. I've got no money for an attorney. I know the extent of what I can and can't do about it. The reality is that if someone runs at the mouth I can't fire them (I can kick them off the project but what's the point damage done and I'm not paying them in most cases). It's not about the drama or the excitement of playing filmmaker either, it's definitely not my first time out, and I've learned to be professional about how I go about things. It's as I said about not letting people talk about the project to people outside the project for the sake of not wanting to ruin the entertainment value for everyone.

Quote:

As far as enforcing it, It is weird you write you are serious about not
telling people what you are working on, but you are telling them? Who
are you telling and why? If it is a producer, document the meeting, and
if they steal your idea, SUE THEM. I've sent a script to a few
producers. Script is writers guild registered and copywritten. I don't
need to tell them this, as I'm looking for someone to work with, not
impress.

I'm telling the cast and crew who sign on to the project, I can't have people working on a project they know nothing about. I haven't told anyone outside of that. The problem is that some people do talk, which is the whole point of the NDA's. I just don't want people to know what it is I'm working on so later when I screen it people won't be expecting anything. I'm also not worried in the least about someone stealing any ideas or anything, I mean there are people who have done it, but it's not something I'm overly concerned about.

Quote:

It seems to me, that you are almost just going through the motions
here, not taking your own paperwork seriously. What exactly are you
trying to protect? Or are you going for a mystique, and showmanship?

That's it almost on the nose. it's about the mystique and showmanship. Theatricality. Think J.J. Abrams and how his people like to hide what they are up to. Same thing for me but I was doing this before Abrams became popular for it. (just don't want the idea that I'm copying someone)

Quote:

If you have someone sign an NDA, and the NDA spells out the penalties
for breaking the agreement, you can take them to court for those
penalties (I believe - I am not a lawyer), if there are no penalties
spelled out, then you can seek recompence for damages caused by their
breaking the NDA - if you can prove damages (again, I'm not a lawyer.)
If you don't believe in the agreement, then I'd suggest to stop wasting
your time.

As you can see by the agreement I posted, it's more of a statement, something like what kids would sign before prom night to state they won't be drinking. I actually got the idea for the language from the Passion of the Christ. They screened the movie to churches before it's release to get feedback and get church support for the movie. People who went into the screening had sign a similar statement.

In anycase there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, I'm not hurting people with it or my production. In most cases people are all too happy to sign off on the paper because they get what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. Personally I can't understand why it's such a big deal for other people or why they seem to have strong opinions on it at all. It's also not a bad thing to have in the first place and I've been cheered for me doing it at all by more people than those who have disagreed with me about it.

 

 

veenotph's picture

Have fun

I think it is much ado about nothing. Hell, who cares if people know about the film. Gee do you show it only once? What if someone sees it, do you have them sign an NDA once they watch the film so they don't spoil it for others?

Well, enjoy the cloak and dagger stuff.

:-)

 

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

frightymcgee's picture

You're just not getting it

You're just not getting it man. Nothing I say is going to change your mind either or enlighten you any further.

It's not about when I show the movie, it's about keeping things closed off during production. Once it's done then let the party begin. I just want to control the way the movie is promoted and advertised and I don't want people spoiling any of the details for others. 

You don't get agree that's fine.

I don't mind getting a little mystery in there for what I'm doing either, it actually works and gets people's attention and gets them talking. It definitely helps to build anticipation for the work. 

veenotph's picture

On the subject of enlightenment

frightymcgee wrote:

You're just not getting it man. Nothing I say is going to change your mind either or enlighten you any further.

I find that rather rude. I've been careful not to insult you, or come out and say you are wrong in what you are doing. Just that it isn't something I would do. I understand perfectly well why you do it, it just seems like a waste of time, and effort, and frankly - and this is just my thoughts here - really makes you seem like an amatuer running around screaming how everyone is going to steal your ideas and ruin your movie. I try very much to stay away from that, but if it floats your boat, and adds to the filmmaking process, enjoy.

frightymcgee wrote:

I don't mind getting a little mystery in there for what I'm doing either, it actually works and gets people's attention and gets them talking. It definitely helps to build anticipation for the work. 

Congrats, it is your manner of marketing and I'm glad you are making it work for you.

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

frightymcgee's picture

I wasn't trying to be rude.

I wasn't trying to be rude. I'm just saying it seems like you're just not understanding it and you keep coming back with statements and questions that I feel I've explained my position on. Sorry it seemed rude.

My point again in you saying that it seems like an amatuer running around screaming how everyone is going to steal my ideas. That's not any part of it. I'm not concerned about people stealing ideas from me at all. It has happened to others so I'm aware, but it's not the point of the agreements at all.

veenotph's picture

I used to dance

 I used to teach, and when I found myself in a discussion with a student, and I would say "You're not listening to me" or "You're not understanding me." It was my clue to know that I was not listening to my student. I've found that has held true with all my conversations. Now you are not me, but I completely get what you are doing and why you are doing it, even though I would consider it a waste of effort on my part do.

For the record you seem to feel that having people sign this agreement, even written on a scrap of paper, adds to the films you make and your showmanship, perhaps even your professionalism.

If that's how you feel, I can tell you I disagree with the practice, and it sounds to me like you are an amatuer worried about people stealing your idea, but I never said you were wrong for feeling how you feel. Please don't tell me I am wrong when I express to you how your actions seem to me.

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

frightymcgee's picture

To me when someone says

To me when someone says that my actions seem this way or that way and it's not the intent I'm going for then I have to say that person is wrong about the way they are reading my actions. It's not a bad thing to be wrong because it tells me that people are missing the point as I'm presenting it and there needs to be some explanation. 

If you're addressing an opinion looking in at those actions then you're entitled to that opinion and I won't argue that you're right or wrong.  I will say I disagree with you.

 

veenotph's picture

You may choose

You may choose to accept feedback from others as valid and valuable, or go around telling people they miss the point.

You may choose to believe that I am wrong, but if you handed me a scrap of paper with a poorly worded NDA on it I would think you an ill prepared amatuer. That is the impression you would make on me.

You may choose to discount this, or you may consider that your actions are not impacting people in the manner you wish.  You may choose to consider what you are doing and either change or not, or just ignore any input. I'm sure some people feel what you want them to, but not everyone does. In either case, I was offering you my considered opinion about how your actions are reflecting on you, and you kept telling me I am wrong. Since you aren't interested, that is fine by the way, I see no more point in discussing or offering thoughts or comments on any of you work, since it seems to go unwanted.

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

sonnyboo's picture

the point

veenotph wrote:

I'm sure some people feel what you want them to, but not everyone does.

frightymcgee wrote:

To me when someone says that my actions seem this way or that way and
it's not the intent I'm going for then I have to say that person is
wrong about the way they are reading my actions.

I think this is demonstrative of the misunderstanding here as a whole. If you're confused... re-read these two quotes until it makes sense and a moment of clarity ensues.

 

sonnyboo's picture

hurt

frightymcgee wrote:

I'm not hurting people with it or my production. In most cases people are all too happy to sign off on the paper because they get what I'm doing and why I'm doing it.

 

Potentially this is true, but you may be hurting your professional image. If people sign the agreement, but then everyone blabs, you look kind of bad. It shows they aren't taking you or your productions or paperwork seriously. Mostly, as I've stated, when people at the no budget level whip out the contracts, but they aren't enforcable, then it's all meaningless anyway.  It's obvious the people either can't be trusted, or they really aren't taking any part of it too seriously. As opposed to just asking verbally, and they either keep quiet or they don't anyway. Just a counter point.

No, there is nothing technically "wrong" with doing NDA's at this level, but it sure is a strange thing to emphasize and waste time on. I haven't read anything to convince me otherwise.  

Like I said, this isn't personal, and we're dealing with a CONCEPT - when to use or not use NDA's. If you or anyone else with a no budget short want to continue to use NDA's, go ahead - but for me - I think there's more important things to focus on especially considering how meaningless they are without any repercussions.  

frightymcgee's picture

It's not about the

It's not about the reprecussions. Like I said, it's a symbol of the agreement between me and whomever. I compared it to the prom night no drinking thing schools do these days, they have no way to enforce that, it's just a pledge not to do something. That's all I'm asking. If people take it the wrong way then I'm sorry and I'm more than willing to come out with what the agreement is all about. From my point of view if people are not taking it seriously and they are running about spilling the beans then it's them who should look bad for not being trustworthy. All I'm doing is providing an agreement for people, they agree to the terms it's up to them to honor it. If they can't then it just shows how they are.

Like I said, it's not a HUGE deal for me. I'm just trying to do something entertaining and fun for everyone. If people want to rain on my parade then that just says something about them does it? Like I said, I'm not harming anyone and beyond that there's no reason anyone should concern themselves with or have any kind of serious opinion about the things I do during production. Plus, it's my time to waste don't you think?

sonnyboo's picture

perfect

frightymcgee wrote:

it's my time to waste don't you think?

 

EXACTLY! Why do you care if I think it's a waste of time? What does it really matter?

 

We have a difference of opinion on Non Disclosure Agreements. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not personal, at least not to me.

We simply have to agree to disagree, and do what we're going to do.

I've wasted more than enough time on my position. 

sonnyboo's picture

captain obvious

veenotph wrote:

If you just don't want people discussing your film, then just ask them not to. If they are unscrupulous, then don't work with them or talk to them.

 

That's pretty much a two sentence summation of my opinion put eloquently, sir.

 

I hadn't even considered the ramifications of publicly stating things negating any kind of contract, but legally speaking it's true.  

frightymcgee's picture

I'm not negating the

I'm not negating the "contract" through anything I've said. I still hold onto the purpose for it and as it serves as a symbol of my intentions. I expect people to honor it as I said before, but if they don't...

sonnyboo's picture

conclusions jumped

First of all, this was NOT about Justin Lewis/Frighty McGee. Did he use the NDA from my site? NO. So it's probably not him. Try not to take everything everyone says personally.

Secondly, I'm describing a CONCEPT. Not a PERSON.  If I wrote a diatribe about how much I hate the color blue and blue is your favorite color, would you go around saying I'm talking shit about you? 

Why not simply ask people not to say anything? To address your above statement, the "HONOR SYSTEM" usually doesn't imply a written contract. The definition of HONOR SYSTEM is that it's implied, not something you sign. But again, this wasn't even about you, so I don't really want to respond more to your statements.

Releases are one thing, as you will be publicly displaying the movie and even high school movies should do that. But an Non Disclosure Agreement?  PUH-Lease. That's just ridiculous. 

 

frightymcgee's picture

Dude, you're full of it.

Asking people is one thing, actually having them understand it's important is another, that's the whole point of why I get folks to sign these things. I'm expecting them to honor the agreement knowing that there's really nothing legally stunning that I can pull out of my hat. That's the honor system I'm talking about.

sonnyboo's picture

the dif

This is simply a difference of opinion on the concept of using an NDA. I think it's a waste of time, and quite frankly ego stroking for ANYONE (not just you individually) to do that when you aren't spending at least $20,000 or more on the production.

Why you take personal offense at it, is beyond me. I think Louie Cowan, who I consider to be a very good friend, also uses NDA's for his DV shorts. I think it's a ridiculous and stupid for him to do the same.  I don't really care who is using NDA's, as it's not personal, it's simply my opinion that ANYONE with a production that has no real production budget has no business using NDA's. 

If you feel justified, then keep doing what you're doing. I have no problems writing my opinion and letting people know my opinion; you can do the same. I just think that the fact people generally do talk about these productions shows how they really feel about the Non Disclosure Agreement and hence, the filmmakers to whom they signed for.

It's a freakin' DV short, there is no hoopla or excitement, or mass audience appeal. Unless you have a true publicity team and a release at a major festival, and even then, that kind of publicity stunt is really only effective for feature films, then I wouldn't be too worried about spectacle - there is none. If the audience is in the tens of people, it might be more work than it's worth. If you have a verifiable several thousand people anticipating your next DV movie, then this secretive effort and closed door mentality, might be justified..  until then - Are you really putting that kind of effort and energy into keeping the big mystery for a handful of people? To me, as in my opinion, it's a waste of time. 

 

frightymcgee's picture

Like I said, my time to

Like I said, my time to waste.

I will say that when I know a lot about someone's movie and what's being done and how it's being done by the time I see it I'm disappointed because I'm already knowing what's going to happen and how it happens.

Because of that I generally keep myself out of other people's productions and I don't read about them or talk to people about them beyond "how's it going". 

On Wicked Business (SPOILER ALERT for those who haven't seen it) all kinds of people were talking it up. I stayed out of it. When that air conditioner or whatever fell on that girl's head it made me jump. If I had known about that from the get go it wouldn't have been as fun to see. 

I don't feel it's a waist of time when it's all about trying to increase the likelyhood of people having fun with my work.

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My references were not to FRIGHTY McGEE directly or indirectly. There is (miracle of miracles) another production he's not involved in that using the NDA from my site.

Some people jump to conclusions. 

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Not my favorite thing to do...

Editing people's comments to take out personal attacks really puts a damper on my day, guys, but I just had to do that to one comment here. Nothing else has been out of line whatsoever, but I just wanted to say:dont do what ABC did for the debate last night, and make things personal. I really think some of the comments here are very helpful, and should be taken in that spirit. My two cents.

Alright, carry on fellas!

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Wait, Wait, Wait

Will Ferrel's site has a no profanity clause in it?

Will Ferrel, from "Starsky and Hutch", "Blades of Glory", and the "Landlord" (with the baby girl?) No way, that is odd. 

Steven Gladstone

Director/Cinematographer

http://www.gladstonefilms.com

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no no no

veenotph wrote:

Will Ferrel's site has a no profanity clause in it?

Will Ferrel, from "Starsky and Hutch", "Blades of Glory", and the "Landlord" (with the baby girl?) No way, that is odd.

 

Only the VCAST on VERIZON wireless - the FUNNY OR DIE channel on the wireless that I get some $$$ for. 

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