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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal SkullYear Released: 2008 Hey everybody! I just watched the hyperanticipated Indy 4 on my local cinema and I want to share my impressions with you.
First of all I want to say I'm a huge die hard Indiana Jones fan since I was a kid. I never saw any of the movies on theaters, but thanks to my older brothers I got interested in the adventures of the most famous archeologist in film history. If I had to pick just one fictional character as my favorite, and surelly he is above all I can name, that will be Indiana Jones. I'd waited for a fourth movie since I was 10, looking on every movie magazine, newspaper or TV shows for clues indicating they (Lucas, Spielberg, Ford) were actually planning to do it. The wait over yesterday. And there, sitted alone in the darkness of the cinema (it was the morning show, so I did it in purpouse to avoid the massive arrivings at the afternoon), it started up. BOOM!! Suddenly, I see russians cracking up into Area 51, throwing (literally) Indy in the middle of the scene, and the action started out. I gasped, I laughed and I feel " OH MAN!! THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME!!" I just loved the way Spielberg introduces us into the new era setting for Indy. Elvis, Howdy Doody, Atomic bombs, Cold War, McArthysm... A little tear rolled down from my eyes wen we know Papa Jones and Marcus just passed away. Of course I already knew this since months ago, we all ready knew that since the filmation begun the past year. But it was special to see Indy meditating about what his life has become and, as his college friend says, he came to a point were life starts to take things from you instead of giving. You're old, Indy, accept it. And that was the perfect beat to introduce us a new character: Mutt Williams. We all ready knew Mutt was gonna be the son of Indy. It's funny how Lucas and the gang tried to hide the obvious. But I didn't want to be surprised with that, I wanted to see the evolution of a relationship betwen Indy and Mutt, one of the new things life was gonna give him instead of taking out. And then, this just falls into the abyss of exposition.
McKee was right, Marco knows what I'm talking about. With every single movie I see I came with the same thinking: McKee is FUCKING RIGHT!. After thrilling us with a great setting (I really didn't had a problem with Area 51, the alien body and parapsycologist-mind powered Irena Spalko), dumb but genuinely Indy gags and the melancoly of our aged hero, the inciting incident commits a great flaw: Indy mets Mutt, who happens to be the son of Marion, who was kidnapped by the russians because... (and this is how we start falling) a huge, complicated, elusive, strange exposition about an artifact called the Crystal Skull, seeked by a long time friend of Indy (wich rumored to be Abner Ravenwood) lost in the amazons, blablablablbalbablablabalbalbalBLA! The second act lacks of all the thrilling and action of the first act. It's very confusing how Indy and Mutt resolves the not-so mistery of the wereabouts of the Crystal Skull, wich happens to be already discovered by profesor Ox wich for some reason we never know in the rest of the movie, he returned the artifact to the cemetary were Indy and Mutt arrived with only seing the floor of a cell!! X mark the spot, George! The X marks the spot! And then we continue falling and falling. The chase in the jungle is less than memorable. Ox character is just too forced, the triple-agent shit of Mac character was the most anticlimatic device I'd ever seen. Marion is just a huge cameo. Not even the efforts of Ford to bring us a classic Indy acting can save him from bad dialogues and horrible story development. No arcs, no points solved, and no climatic obligaroty scene. Indy just brought back the skull with no significant final effort ( like the bridge scene in DOOM or the tank race/temple traps in CRUSADE) or intriging decition (like surrending at Belloq in Raiders to save Marion and the Ark). Finally, the UFO shot could had been just as amazing like the ATOMIC BOMB shot in the first part, but the lack of story just ruined it up. The lack of significant music in most of the movie (there are no memorable pieces like "SCHERZO FOR MOTORCYCLE" or "SLAVE CHILDREN CRUSADE") just finish to pull down the whole thing. What happened? I really don't know. Maybe I'm just an echoe of fanboy whining and complaining arround the internet. But after reading the rules of universal storytelling redacted by Robert McKee, I understand how fucking important is to have a good, good script. Even for those who are as great and important as Lucas and Spielberg. David Koeph tried to use the good elements from other drafts presented over this years, but he just frankensteined the whole thing instead of thinking in arcs. No matter the elements, if they don't have arcs the story simply doesn't exists. I never expected this to be another Raiders (the perfect adventure movie of all time) but at least a good character development, wich was the aspect I loved from CRUSADE and made it my favorite, even above Raiders. I heard they want to do a 5th film. If so, I just hope they can hire a more talented screenwriter this time (Marco! send your fucking curriculum to them right now!!! :D LOL). I know how hard to make a film is, and I respect them a lot, but as public and fan I just don't understand how after 20 years of developing they just didn't see this coming. I give it 2 stars of 4, the first part of the movie is really, really good. Pure Indy. But the rest is dissapointing :(
Note: Again... McKee was right.
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Yeah, I kinda felt the
Yeah, I kinda felt the same. Spielberg has said thathe was makingthis movie for the fans, because of the fans. And it kinda shows....there's no passion in this movie...he's just going through the motions. It's a glorified Lost World. I mean, it's not all bad. Indy's here, and Indy's always awesome. There's some genuinely funny moments, some genuinely exciting moments...but they just don't live up to their predecessors.
One of the problems is that the trilogy as it was before was near perfect. You've got Raider's which sets up Indy and some of his pals and the world of the 30's. Then you've got Temple which deviates and pits Indy in a whole new situation, an entirely different tone, etc. Then Crusade which acts as a great ending. It gives us the Indy origin story, we return to the characters from the first film, the villains (Nazi's) from the first film...and introduce the father which gives Indy his greatest arc of any of the movies. And finally they ride into the sunset. Crystal Skull just feels like yet another adventure tacked onto the end of it. Sure there's the whole Marion story and how that resolves, but it does feel forced and tacked on.
I just wish they could've maybe connected all the other stories some way. There was only one direct reference to any of the previous films that I noticed (not counting Indy constants like fear of snakes).
And then some of those stunts were just a bit over the top....even for Indiana Jones. If you have to use CG to do it...then it's probably to over the top. *cough*refridgerator*coughtree into river*cough*
But I'm just dwelling on the negatives. I think I'm going again tonight with my wife since she missed the midnight screening. I'm sure it'll play better after a couple viewings and the over-anticipation fades away and I can see it more for what it is, than what I wanted it to be.
Oh, but one more problem! So, Cate Blanchett's character...you know, you can tell there's a great character there somewhere, they hint at her powers and motives, etc. Yet, they really don't use her at all. We see that she has some cool psychic powers at the begining, and then she never uses them again! There's no reason for her to be psychic at all! What a waste....
Okay, just some random thoughts. I do hope a fifth one can manage to return to the spirit of the originals.
KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL COOL!
I liked it. I do agree that the film was not as good as the originals. But it was a fun film. I didn't really drool over the sci-fi aspect of it, but I felt that it was a new Indiana Jones adventure that didn't repeat itself.
I guess I'm bias. It was Indiana fucking jones! Yeah!
The concept in story was different and cool. I agree that the writing could have been more carefully taken care of. Harrison was cool. Spielberg was cool. That transformers kids was cool.
I don't know. I will say this. It was a fun film. An Indie adventure. Was it classic? No. Was it great to see Indie in action again? FUCK YEAH! And to me, that's all that mattered. INDIANA JONES!
I'm not a harsh critic unless something really really blows kaka like "Monster In Law".
I know everyone expected this to be the best Indiana Jones. And it wasn't. But it was a cool adventure. That's all I really expected from it. Nothing will ever be better than Raiders of the Lost Ark, so why dare compare it? In my opinion, there is no movie ever made better than Raiders of the Lost Ark to begin with. That's my favorite film of all time! And besides John Rambo, Indiana Jones is my favorite cinematic charater.
In saying that, let me crawl back a little. I don't understand, why after 19 years, this is the best George Lucas could come up with? Lucas is such a creative genius, then he falls apart because of his stubborness to do things his way---I believe that a younger blood could have spun this into something better--because my own opinion is--the movie did feel like a bunch of old men got together to make an adventure film.
That's me being critical.
I give the film a solid B.
I like Rambo better. In fact, I'm gonna go buy it!
EZEQUIEL
Totally agree
It's a fun movie, as much as Pirates of the Caribean 3 and Rambo 4, but the script was really bad developed... like those two examples.
Lucas is very much like his alter ego Anakin Skywalker (young idealist passionated)/Darth Vader(pragmatic powerhouser). Don't get me wrong, he is my hero! as much as Spielberg is... but I think it's true wen people says both lost their entusiastic souls as they gained such power in the film industry.
I dunno if they're gonna make another one, they have my ticket of course but I trully hope this time they can come with a better screenwritter.
Why don't you give it a try EZ? Indiana Jones and the Dark and Stormy Brujas of Doom :p jejeje ;)
"Every deep being needs a mask to exist" - F. Nietzche
Turz's Critique
Admittedly, I came into this with the lowest of expectations. Based on the recent works of both Lucas (*spits in disgust*) and Speilberg (*spits in a little bit less disgust*), I wouldn't have been surprised if they totally f*cked up the fourth (and hopefully last) installment of the Indiana Jones franchise. As it turns out, this low expectation saved the film in the eyes of this reviewer, because if you expect dog sh*t, but are served prune juice, you can't help but be thankful you didn't receive dog sh*t.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull takes place in 1957, because Harrison Ford looks ancient. A new era (Cold War) requires a new threat, so pinch-hitting for the Nazis are the Russians, led by Colonel Doctor Irina Spalko. Spalko is brilliantly portrayed by Cate Blanchett, easily the film's best performance. But she is limited by David Koepp's lackluster script (a flaw born from Lucas and Spielberg meddling, I'm sure).
The supporting cast includes Ray Winstone, John Hurt and Jim Broadbent, but none really stand out. You'll note there's no Marcus Brody, Papa Jones nor is there even any mention of Sallah; and to say the chemistry between this new cast is lacking compared to past Indy characterizations is an understatement. Karen Allen has little more than an extended cameo as Marion Ravenwood, and the film's biggest casting error is none other than Hollywood's latest flavor of the month, Shia LaBooof. Please note the intentional mis-spelling of the young thespian's name. I didn't like him in Disturbia, I didn't like him in Transformers, I've seen him in nothing else and therefore, he's not important enough to have his name spelled correctly in a Turzman critique.
Speilberg and Lucas have the audacity to introduce LaBooof's Mutt Williams leather clad atop a motorcycle wearing a pilot's hat, and bearing an insulting resemblance to Marlon Brando from 1953's The Wild One!!!
Hold on a minute...
I don't care how popular or cute the little pretty boy LaBooof is,
HE'S NO FU*KING BRANDO!!! Nuff said.
But the film's biggest flaw, and it stands out like the giant elephant in the room, is the lack of humor. The first three Indy films succesfully combined wit and action, but Crystal Skull fails miserably in the comedy department. The jokes are, in a word, unfunny. But the action does save this film. Indy 4 is watchable for these sequences alone. As for the story, it is a refreshing break from all the biblical hocus-pocus, is feasable, and is consistent with the Mayan legends I've read in other works.
In a nutshell, go see this film. You know you want to, so get it out of your system. The action outweighs the goofiness just enough to make the film enjoyable. Expect dog sh*t so the prune juice will go down easier.
"Baffling the critics since 1971."
Shia
Flavor of more than the month. Very popular, and I think a really good actor.
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
On a side note...
...Justin Long should have gotten the nod over Shia LaBooof. He's a better actor, and has already played a sidekick to an icon in a blockbuster film.
See Die Hard 4.
LaBooof, OUT.
"Baffling the critics since 1971."
I DISAGREE!
Shia is a movie star! This guy is gonna be HUGE! That kid from Die Hard 4 is cool, but he isn't a movie star. Technically, yes he is, but in the correct use of the term "movie star", he isn't on Shia's level in terms of charisma, like-ability, screen presence and most important for business---chicks dig this guy.
But at the end, it's a matter of personal opinion. I really like this actor a lot. I would say I wish him the best, but why? He's already on the road to "the best". I just want to see more of him in future films.
Turzman and I still have a pending date to go see IRON MAN! Can't wait for that!
EZEQUIEL
DIRECTING da angles and movements of the camera...
was da shit... !
I sat in da very front of a capacity crowd and saw it UP CLOSE. Da shots and transitions of da action scenes was brilliant... da POSITIONING.
There was even this one frame where da camera was on da ground with an angle pointing up to da car arriving on da dirt road... then it pans to Indiana Jones' face right when it appears above a fence... all in one cut. I dunno, that kine of shot is prolly typical, but thats what I noticed and cared for.
All I know is that, when I watch a TRUE ARTIST... one who PERFORMS... I CARE FOR DA RHYTHM. Its like watching Michael Jackson... regardless of da song he dancing to... or what he saying... or what he looks like... when he starts to pop and moon walk... you just ch0o0o0oo0orip! A unique RHYTHM.
Da more and more I shoot... da more I'm starting to catch myself not caring about da story no more... but more about DA TECHNIQUES.
THE DANCE OF IMAGES
It's called style man! Bobby Z has the same style! As simple as it may seem, a lot of thought and orchestration goes into it. It's a very cool style! I love it!
All directors with signature styles make it look easy, but it isn't. Just like any talented ball player, dancer, musician, writer, actor, whatever. It's an innate talent that collides with the artist's personality and what they love to do, see, feel and hear.
EZEQUIEL
I saw it again last night...
and I realized that da shooting style I talked about... is da exact type of shot as da VERY FIRST SHOT OF DA MOVIE... da shot was on da ground towards da dirt mound, then it pans to da left towards da hot rod convertible... I love dat style... hAhA... :)
Forthe first hour, I
Forthe first hour, I really enjoyed the return of good 'ole Dr. Jones...but then the total mishmash of converging scripts started leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Indiana Jones can survive an atomic explosion? Armies of monkeys attacking the Russians? How, exactly, did that Blow dart kill that one guy (really think about it)? Fucking flying saucers?
The film was filled with enough signature Indy moments to keep me entertained...but is such a lost oppurunity....and a lot of the best moments were the quieter ones: "...life stops giving and starts taking away...."
"There Comes a Time in Every Man's Life When He Must Spit on His Hands, Hoist the Black Flag, and Start Slitting Throats."
-HL Mencken
Ridiculous Action...
Like RAMBO... he killed a whole army by himself, but people seem to like RIDICULOUS ACTION for some reason... IT GRABS US... like Chinese movies with Wuxia Heroes... killing hundreds of his enemies on his own and doing ridiculous shit... For some reason, audiences EXPECT THAT in a movie.
A hero doing UNTHINKABLE SHIT like swinging on vines with monkeys like Tarzan... hAhA... I was like 0o0o0o0owhat? At first I thought it was hella stupid, but when I think about it... IT GRABBED ME... :)
I AGREE WITH DAVONIE
I agree. I agree. The action in this film is no more ridiculous than it is in any other Indiana Jones film. That's what makes it fun!
I can't wait to see it again!
EZEQUIEL
SUCKED
This is an understatment. Flawed. Hugely flawed.
The word is out. 10 pm showing on the Friday of memorial day weekend, and the theater is empty.
Warning, this will contain movie spoilers, so read on if you've seen it, or come back after you've wasted you rmoney and time and see what reading this would have saved you.
Let's start where we start. Liked the opening, the little driving bit. Got the Area 51 gag, but then, oh wait. Read "Save the Cat" this film hits the "double Mumbo Jumbo" Thing square on.
I did like the whole transition to a modern age thing, the breaking of the box and ignoring of the ark from the first film. But why (Spoiler here - be warned) are we concerned with a space alien, no sorry transdimensional alien, when our intrepid hero has spent his time chasing myths, legends, and G_d, not science fiction. Make a Zombie film, but don't make a zombie film about zombies from outer space - at some point we just go - oh enough. Right the atomic age, so now we move from archeology to the space/transdimensional age.
But okay, oh wait, indy survives a nuclear blast (ala Swarzzenager in Predator.) Does anyone have a problem with him walking out of a refrigerator that flew what a mile in the air, and he isn't even bruised or scrapped? A fall from 15 feet can be lethal. Same issue I had with Iron man crashing into the sand in that first suit. In any one of the previous movies the fridge would have skidded accross the ground, and Jones would have passed the car with the Russians, and jones would have watched them. This film was tired - as were the movements, everything was at 3/4 speed. the action scenes were slow. Where once dialog and expression happened during the chase scene. Here all the action stopped so that the actors could deliver their lines, and then continued. Stop, deliver lines, then continue action, stop deliver lines, then continue action zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
There was no mystery, here. The whole film was a weak set of explainers and plot complications. What was the point of the F.B.I. ? To get him on a train? So that Shai could meet him (dressing him like Brando was a big mistake, one that was abandoned quickly.) After he goes on leave (which INDY always used to do) the F.B.I. doesn't trouble Indy any more. Why bother wth them at all? Wait Indy was in the military at some point? He won medals? When, where? Huh. Garbage, get rid of it.
Let's just jump to the really stupidest point. Someone 500 years ago, breaks into a chamber where 13 crystal skeletons are seated. No rotting flesh, no clothes, just the skeletons in a perfectly clean environment. The chamber it seems is part of some advanced alien technologically superior craft, so the tools of 500 years ago, probably won't help open the door, or penetrate the chamber. So this guy steals the skull, and wanders away, remembering to lock the door behind him. 500 years later the skull is returned and the door is unlocked, using the skull as a key. Oh wait. How is it that they guy got into the chamber in the first place if you have to use the skull to unlock the door, but the skulls are all inside already????? Oh, I see the door was originally left open, and these powerful crystal skulls just let someone take one of the skulls in the first place? here, just take a skull, we have the power to stop you, because we are dead, but not really dead. We are just sitting here waiting for someone to take a skull and then return it,because we can't turn on our interdimensional ship until we are all in one piece, so first someone must take a piece so it can be returned. Yep that makes sense.
Oh, and I love how the "natives" who are there to protect the entrance to the temple live inside of walls, and break through them to chase after our intrepid heros. Yep, they are human, but where do they sleep? Where do they eat? I don't know, but they do break through walls.
Why must indy stare into the skull? Don't get it? He doesn't become smarter, the Russian doesn't plant secret messages into his head, she seems to suggest it, but it doesn't happen. Of course in that scene ther is a circular floresent light in the scene. I don't know about you, but although floresent lights have been around in one form or another since the late 1800's, Circular floresents really didn't come into use until the 1990's. I never saw one before that any way. It totally destroyed the mood. here is all this "old" gear from the 1950's, and wait a clean modern floresent light bulb. Annoying. If you are making a point with it, make the point, do something.
Got to love the "magnetic" properties of the skull as well you know. Sometimes it is magnetic, sometimes it isn't. Pulls coins towards it, but only sometimes. Oh that makes sense. Hey why didn't it pull out one of those electronic tracking devices the "Triple Agent" was carrying. If this had been the first film, it would have. Remember the Monkey from the first film? The beauty of that film was that the audience knew what was going on, before the characters. Oh wait sorry, the filmmakers revealed what was going on to the audience, in this film it was obvious and boring, and we knew the surprises before hand. Oh except that it was transdimensional aliens, not space aliens.
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
INDIANA JONES!
Since this website is a website for filmmaker, I have to respond like this.
Since you don't get why this film is fun and not supposed to be "real" is probably why you've never sold a screenplay or working in movies.
It's a fucking movie dude! Why are you trying to rationalize something that isn't supposed to be rational? It's fiction! Fun times at the movie theater!
I really hate it when people try to sound smarter than a movie! I agree that the movie wasn't fucking brilliant, but I was entertained, and that's all that matters!
And since most of us here are filmmakers, I always ask "if you know so much better, why aren't you doing better than what you just criticized"?
the movie did its job. ENTERTAINED. Final. Settled.
If you weren't entertained. Fine. Your opinion is your opinion. But fuck dude. Indiana in a fridge. How much more unbelievable is that then when he fell out of an airplane on a fucking raft onto a river and off a waterfall? IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE!
EZEQUIEL
Sorry you are a complete . . .
Suspension of Disbelief is one thing.
Falling for stupidity like a cow eyed little child , is another.
Go look at the sequence where Indy and company Jump out an airplane using a raft to survive. Completely different style, and actually as much as you sit there and go "No Way", the editing and shots pull off the trick. How about a scratch, a bruise, something for him being bounced around in the refrigerator? By the way, nuclear bomb, way more kinetic energy than falling out of a plane, as was demonstrated by the shots of the town and car being obliterated.
I do work in the movies, and I couldn't give a damn if you approve of my work or not. This film, it did not entertain me. [-edit-] I make the films I wish to, if you wish to critcize my films, please feel free - Oh you have by the way, and spoke so favorably about my last teaser.
I had major problems, with this film, gee how dare I express them. It entertained you , great, happy for you. Glad you weren't disapointed. If I could come away, seeing all these problems as they happened on screen, it did not work for me, I will not dumb myself down to only like movies you approve of.
I never said I knew so much better, I don't know why you need to attack me and my abilities with what little you know of me, or attack other people as you have. I was merely pointing out things that didn't work. Nobody "Knows" until you make the movie. which underscores the difficulty in making films, when even Msrs Spielberg and Lucas can miss it. We are mostly film makers on this site, and it does not serve us well to attack people and try to invalidate someone's reaction to a film.
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
?????
Apparently some comments have been removed, or lost to the ether, which make my response which follows seem a little odd, now that there is no context.
I'll leave it up, becasue I think it is fine. For the record, I'm not interested in fighting anyone, but I'mhappy to have a discussion about any film, at any time (although 7:30- to 9 pm is a problem as I have to put my daughters to bed then.)
Captain Peceno, and all others than now want to "Fight" me.
What, will you come to Brooklyn to visit me? To say hi?
Bring your films, we'll watch them. I'll make some Chilli, or throw a few steaks on the grill. I don't drink much, but I'm sure I can have a Guiness, or perhaps a Bohemia. I had a Cabro once, which I liked. Of course the Mexican art director in Guatemala called me Cabron as I stole her from her boyfriend as we worked on a feature.
Or perhaps you want to scare me? You will fight? For what, for whom? Against little old me? So you will let loose your pirate powers to what? Block a fellow film maker on Karma? Because what? I disagree with someone you call friend over whether I thought a film was good or not? Oh what a glorious waste of energy.
What for will you fight? With what, how? Will you run around and say - That Steven Gladstone - he doesn't like the fourth Indiana Jones movie - let's get him. Yeah it's his fault. Will you raise against me, choose to speak badly against me? Perhaps censure me, for what. I expressed my opinion, happy to discuss it, but no. Someone wants to just run roughshod over me, for expressing my opinion, and explaining it - while they stand back and say "because I'm me, that is why I'm right." Oh please. What will you fight - to prevent some to express their opinion? I am afraid now, because my daughter has a big poop in her diaper, and it smells, and I must change it. Afraid of someone who wants me to not have an opinion, or be able to express it, hah. If you want to make great movies, watch great movies. If you want people to like your movies then make movies, but don't insist that people like your movies because you made them. Lars von Trier said it great in an interview once (And I'm not a huge fan of all of his movies, but I respect him as a filmmaker for what he said) "If 15 minutes go by, and you don't like my film - get the hell out,it isn't for you."
So who would want to shut me up, make me go away, yeah, that's a wonderful thing to put up on a website for filmmakers - You must follow one person and not do or say anything that some overblown ego case deems anti them, or they'll have their friends come and try to intimidate you? How intimidate? Why fight? Who cares.
Go Follow Blah Blah Blah, just because he screams so, you don't know me, don't bother to talk with me, or get to know me, but willing to call me out, for what? I don't care for fighting, why would you want to fight me, and how would we fight? I'm killer at thumb wrestling, even though I've popped a ligament in my thumb when I was captain of my college fencing team. Scrabble isn't bad either, how else would you fight? I don't do the posturing thing very well, never did, and now that I carry my 2 year old around on my shoulders, well, yeah that's no good.
So challenge me all you want, not sure what for. Oh right I dared to express a thought, and be open for discussion. That makes sense now, the "Pirates of Karma" will now attack a filmmaker on a website for filmmakers for expressing an opinion or thought about a movie?
Lovely.
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
Its all a game
I'm not making excuses, I just know something worth knowing in cases like this: EZ is never serious. He's laughing at the "wars" on screen; its all a game, he doesnt takes this half as seriously as anyone else does. He plays a character online. He's not like this in real life.
That said, I'll continue to delete anything that's a personal attack against a KC member, no matter who posts it, or whether its a game or not.
A reminder of my deletion policy: I'll delete anything that personally (that means "identifiable by a stranger") attacks a member of this site. This means is okay to attack anyone personally as long as they're not a member, and it means its "unactionable" (I didnt want to say "okay") to attack a member of this site without identifying him/her personally. The former can be fun, the latter seems like a waste of time to me, but that's the only two kinds of attacks that are allowed in this site. Or, said in reverse: personal attacks aren't allowed. I really wish I had spent an hour of my day today doing something more productive than reading and deleting attacks, and believe me guys, I have better things to do with my time, things that are now one-hour late, but it comes with the job I guess.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Move along citizens.
Audience
Btw, weird:
It seems the audience likes it :)
SO FUNNY! IT'S TRUE
Guilty as charged. I'm really not being serious. I really am laughing my ass off behind the screen. I thought that by now, everyone that has known my online personality now for the past two years would have had a grasp of this by now.
I'm pretty sure the "wannabes" read all the poo talk and maybe are laughing at these mini hurricanes that happen here on KC. I don't know why so many people from their site come over here to check us out, probably cause they are boring and, well....wannabes. haha
Gladstone. You know I'm just fuckin' with you. I'm not apologizing, because it isn't my fault you got mad. You got mad on your own.
But you know what good things come out of this? I am also guilty of this. I study how people react. I look at what they are saying and what they aren't saying when they're saying. It helps me when I write characters.
I used to do this before there was KC. In aol chat rooms.
I studied how people talk and I took notes. Just like when I go out. I listen to what people say. When my crazy friends talk, I take notes.
I believe that that is one of the reasons I get hired to do revisions on screenplays sometimes solely on the dialogue.
For using some of you as screenplay lab rats--I do apologize for that.
But Gladstone. We'll probably meet soon. And when we do, I will be wearing my Indiana Jones hat wearing a shirt that says "Wannabe". haha
EZEQUIEL
OH MY GOOD YOU'RE A COMMUNIST! :D
You damn KGB triple agent... ;)
"Every deep being needs a mask to exist" - F. Nietzche
I'm not mad
I can remember a long time ago, listening to the grieving at a Shiva, and just marvelling at the dialog it would make.
Your posts make you sound like a jerk, as long as you are cool with that, who am I to care.
I was so looking forward to this film, and so disappointed. I hope you have read my detailed discussion on the film, you might learn something there.
:-)
now what the heck is with this "Wannabe" thing? I don't get it, there is a website where people join up to be "Wannabees"? Why on earth would anyone want to be a "Wannabe"? It is like being a "Never Was", much better at least to be a "Has Been" than a Wanna Be, or Never Was.
:-) :-)
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
GOOD THAT YOU'RE NOT MAD!
I'm actually not a jerk! We should talk on the phone one of these days. I am actually one of the coolest people you will ever meet and always up for helping people out. This internet persona is just my alter-ego fun times for me. Instead of playing video games, I cause online trouble. haha
And as you have noticed, all the guests I invite to our radio show are working professionals that provide a lot of educational information to our listeners. The show is kinda crazy, but that's what makes it fun, right?
I'm all about having fun. And you've read enough to know that the things I say re: the business of motion pictures is educational and I'm never negative. I have 11 years of "real" hollywood experience. So instead of sharing a lot of "creative process" thoughts, I like to share "movie business" experience.
NOW.
This brings us to the "wannabees". These are a group of people that once were KC members and went off and started their own web community called "wannabe studios". How funny is that! What happened is this. A lot of us here are indie, some (like me) are working in Hollywood. And these people weren't doin' shit except for "vlogs" and blah.
I know for a fact that a lot of people left because of me. And I'm sorry. I spell out the truth. The truth can suck. Tell a fat chick she's fat when she asks you how she looks. She isn't gonna like it.
Listen. I know I fuck around with you guys. And that's all it is. But when it comes down to people that complain about this and that--actors that can't get work, DP's, writers, directors, editors whatever--I will take them to school. Some people might think I'm being abrasive, but I'm not--I'm telling the truth. And a lot of times, instead of people listening to my advice, they rebel. Why? Everyone else that listens to me and follow my advice get work. I know I'm not wrong. I may make mistakes just like anyone else does, but I'm not wrong.
So that is why the wannabees was formed. They didn't like what I was saying. Some of them are proud cause they went to make a movie in India. Did you see that clip? I've seen better clips shot by a 13 year old on crack with a dick in his ear that couldn't hear "YOU SUCK!"
Steven, you know I'm legit. I know you're legit. One of these days, maybe you should be a radio guest and talk about cinematography. Just not story. Leave that to guys like me! haha I'm not a DP. You're not a writer. even stevens.
And like that fucking pig said--"that's all folks!"
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You ought
To read my scripts.
:-)
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
YOUR SCRIPTS
Man. I would love to. But I hate reading. I don't even read my own scripts! I write them, send them to management, if they sell they sell and you'll find me in Vegas fucking off. If they don't sell, oh well. On to the next.
But keep writing. Writing is like fucking. The more you do it, the better you get at it! haha
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Very true
Yep, very true, and writing scripts, is what I am doing.
We will speak on the phone one day EZ, but not yet. I need to have a couple more scripts, and some more festival exposure, until then, it would just be wasting both or our time.
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
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guests (on line)...
I know that from long time ago
i am not serious neither I know how Ez like to play
it is all "the show must go on"
it is not time to apologizing it is time to trust
that everything it is just
part of the show
let´s play
LOL I loved the fridge part! :)
It's pure Indy!! and I really didn't had a problem with the alien plot... is just that I expected more mistery arround the plot. You know, wen they open the Ark in the first film you never see God's hand coming from the sky and smashing the nazis. You see... ghosts! what are those ghosts? angels of death? damned souls? noup... they're just as Indy says some scenes before: thunder... ligthing... power of God. :)
The sankara stones actually did something more than glowing or burning in Mola Ram's hand? noup. But they're powerfull, they're a godsmack and the people of the village needed one in order to recover their happiness (physically represented on their lost children)
The grail was actually that spectacular? noup, but it turns crucial at the crisis, wen Indy's dad got shot and now you REALLY need the grail for something usefull than just taking it away from the nazis. But again, is the mistery arround the McGuffin, NOT the McGuffin itself what brings the magic to the adventure.
The Von Däniken pseudotheories about the extraterrestrial origins of some ancient civilizations really fits on the Indy scenario, but again, it was the LACK OF MISTERY what made the Crystal Skull look goofy at some points. You know what they say: wen you show the monster at the camera, it stops making public be afraid of it and starts to make them laugh wen they discover is just a prop of cardboard. Imagination is subjective. it's power resides there.
Also, it's the lack of challenges what makes you think "duh! that was too easy!" instead of feeling great after Indy passes several moments were his values and his beloved ones are on a great, great danger and triumphs in the end. We never see Mutt and Marion in a real, dramatic danger here.
I'm going to see it again this weekend. What can I do? Im an Indy geek afterall, and maybe now I can enjoy it more because I know what kind of shit to expect. :D
"Every deep being needs a mask to exist" - F. Nietzche
The fridge
I liked the fridge part too, really a smart thing to do except, I didn't believe in the execution. It was the only fridge to fly??? Something, I needed something more in the sequence.
Also the shot of Indy watching the mushroom cloud. Very Iconic, but the film isn't about Indy and a post apocalyptic world.
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
The second time is better than the first one :)
I said: forget your problems, forget McKee, forget you're a grownup and go with your girl to watch a fun movie.
And indeed, Indy 4 was so more FUCKING enjoyable the second time. I forgot about the flaws, I forgot about everything and resulted the kind of experience I wanted to live since 15 years ago (I'm 27 now) wen I started to wait for a new Indy adventure. Definitly not in the Pirates of the Caribbean 3/Rambo 4 level. This is a juggernaut compared with those.
Not so long ago I sent Marco a post I found on AICN about how cynic my generation has come, that is not nostalgia what makes us hate a movie like this, is about how much we don't want to accept our reality as adults. At the moment I accepted that, I enjoyed so much this movie that magically returned myself wen I was 10. I laughed, I gasped, I smiled just like the inner kid too, we accepted to coexist in the same space for 2 hours.
Certainly is not the best Indy movie... but is an INDY MOVIE. I really wan't to see a 5th one with a better script, maybe in the search of Atlantis under the 50's sci fi style too (hollow earth, lost civilizations with paranormal powers...) and Shia MUST BE IN. The kid is very talented and the chemistry with Ford was one of the best things in the film.
"Every deep being needs a mask to exist" - F. Nietzche
Indiana
Funny, I usually am the first in line to check out these types of movies, but even before reading about how dumb the story is, I had no motivation to see it.
I will rent it on DVD though.
The ride is cool at Disneyland.
One thing Steven Gladstone asked was why must Indy stare into the skull?
I have not seen this movie yet, but the ride at Disneyland warns you not to "stare into the eyes of Mara" and when you invitably do, all hell breaks loose.
So, it will be interesting, to me at least, to see if they make a change to the "story" of the Disneyland ride.
They did the same thing with Pirates Of The Carribean ride by adding Jack Sparrow and Davy Jones.
disappointed, but entertained
Really, I like this one the least of the 4, but #3, the Last Crusade sucked pretty bad. Much like that one, very flawed, but still entertaining. I went to the midnight show of this one and I've never EVER been to a midnight show where I felt less emotion all the way through.
I didn't hate the movie. I liked it, but I'd say 6 out of 10.
SPOILER ALERT!
The damn Aliens thing was sad. Then again, is it really that far out from the Ark of the Convenant having super powers or the Shankara stones?
Oh well. I prefer this over THE MUMMY series or TOMB RAIDER movies. If we're going to be subjected to CGI fests with lack of character and bad acting, it might as well be the real Indiana Jones....
TWO WORDS
INDIANA JONES!
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It was crap.
I'm gonna stick by my original, post screening impression of the film....
"It was nice to see Indana Jones jumping around doing Indiana Jones shit."
Other than that... dreadfull. Sure there's quite a franchise standard to live up to, but WTF was with the Alien Skull story line? Talk about "reaching" for new material. That was an act of desperation if I've ever seen one. And don't get me started on the lack of suspense and lame characters.
I heard rumor that Frank Darabont wrote an earlier script that both Spielberg and Harrison Ford liked, but Lucas vetoed. Considering the one dissenting vote, something tells me that script was probably worlds better than the crap that made it to the screen. Too bad George had any say in the creative aspects of this movie.
My advice... If you're hankerin' for an action film, spend your money wisely and go see Iron Man.
Gonzo is a way of life.
Von Däniken
The problem wasn't the alien plotline, the problem was the execution. The plot fits perfectly on both Indiana and Sci Fi settings, check out more about Erich Von Däniken. The guy is a fraud, but provides a cool subtext giving extraterrestrial origins to ancient cultures like mayans, egiptians and babylonians.
http://www.daniken.com/e/index.html
"Every deep being needs a mask to exist" - F. Nietzche
WHY DO SOME PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY "SAVE YOUR MONEY"
Can't you afford eight dollars to see a fucking movie that cost millions to make? That's cheap. If you go to vegas to see a show, it cost like 100 dollars. Movies rock. Indiana Jones was cool!
But everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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The Test
If it had been the first one, well no that isn't fair, established character, got to accept some things that are in previous movies, and built on.
But had it been "Iowa Blue and the kingdom of the lost skull." Would you have liked it as much? "I named the goldfish Iowa"
Eight bucks, jeez don'tcome out to New York, $11 and counting. I once got into "Hollow Man" for $3.50 in Rapid City South Dakota - but that is another story (Killed a cow, burned the jeep, listend to the hardest working man in showbizness while doing so - more Die Hard than Raiders.)
I will give you this - Only Indiana Jones could convince Russian Solders and K.G.B. agents to give him most of their ammunition to destroy.
Steven Gladstone
Director/Cinematographer
http://www.gladstonefilms.com
People HATING...
And I don't know why?
I heard people talking about Indiana on da bus a lot lately... all NEGATIVE for some reason.
Its a Steven Spielberg and George Lucas collaboration... how often do you get to see that?
So I finally got to go see Indiana Jones
I loved every minute of it! You know it's hard for some jaded film makers to remember that movies are an escape from reality and have their own set of rules. Too busy analyzing shots and plotlines. Try watching it through a child's eyes, remember when we used to believe anything was possible and our heros were super human? That's Indiana Jones, great movie!
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