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    Year Released:
    2007

    STUCK (2007) Story and Directed by Stuart Gordon.

    Opening titles say “Inspired by a true story.”

    Average: 10 (1 vote)

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Partners and Production Companies

sonnyboo's picture

I have had several fruitful and painful partnerships in the movie world, but probably the most interesting are some that I observed, not participated in.

Several months ago I was approached by this guy, a local actor. He already had a partner who he worked with as a writer/producer/actor. We were talking about something unrelated, and he brought up all kinds of interesting tidbits. I got the sense he was feeling me out to see if I would replace his buddy who shot and produced all this videos. There were compliments for movies I've made, and talking about the professional "polish" I put to my work.

He said when he was a teenager he wrote to David Letterman and got a letter back. That's plausible. Then he said he spoke to David Letterman on the phone, and could get him on the phone anytime. Not so believable, this part. If there's one thing I find ultra-amusing it's when people feel they have to lie or exaggerate to feel important. I guess this was supposed to make me want to work with him? Even if by some miracle this David Letterman connection is true, what good does it do me? Wow, I'm working with someone who knows someone famous. Maybe he'll introduce us and David Letterman and I will become the best of friends? More importantly, does this tact work?

On the other hand, if this guy, as an actor or writer, does get anywhere in the real industry, how exactly would that benefit me? If he gets hired on a sitcom or a drama to write or act, he won't be in any position to do anything for me. The hierarchy of a film or television production is no secret. First time writers or actors starting off won't be able to select of hire any directors or editors. So dangling these carrots in front of me to do free productions today won't work, at least with me. What he wants is someone to slave away for free today, so it benefits him tomorrow, and you're left in the land of forgotten stepping stones.

The truth is I didn't want to work with this guy regardless. He seemed nice, but I politely declined any offer to work together. I had already heard from another actor he works with that he just wanted a "video bitch", meaning someone to do all the work for him so he can get ahead without paying them. Funny how this guy touts his ability to sucker people to other actors.

When you work at the no-to-low budget, aka MicroCinema, level of moviemaking, it's always a good idea to get into good habits, like contracts, etc., but don't go overboard. You can't get someone to contractually obligate themselves to give you a job if they are successful later in their careers. Similarly, you can't really expect a movie with no budget for craft services to be able to hold you to a contract for confidentiality or liability.

When two or more people band together, it's probably wise not to talk nasty about the other ones on set. It gives a horrible impression. People talk, loud and fast, about a partnership going awry. It undermines the authority of the production if the people running it are talking smack about each other to the entire cast and crew during a shoot. People stop investing in what they are doing because they start to worry that this production might never finish if the people in charge secretly hate each other. The last thing an actor wants to hear is a producer saying something about how his partner, the director is doing everything wrong. It's not only disrespectful; it's just stupid.

There's the old adage "strength in numbers", which is true in so many ways, but for a non-paying, free form production company trying to produce and direct movies, it almost universally ends in disaster. Again, everyone wants to direct. It's like having 4-6 people on a life raft and everyone wants to be the captain, no one wants to row, especially when there's no money in it. Without a clear leader and power structure, meaning specific jobs and tasks for each person that they all adhere to, these "production companies"…. I have to stop for a second. So few people register their company and pay taxes for these million or so "production companies" that make movies these days, so it's so odd to call them "companies" when they are little more than a logo and a handshake, but I digress. Therein actually is the problem too. These groups form and disband just as hastily.

My advice is for people working with little to no money not form these fake partnerships or pretend business relationships. They don't work in the new world order of moviemaking where anyone can do everything. Sadly most are not aware they can't do it all well, but because the option is there, they don't want to give up control. When you aren't paying people, it's harder to boss people around to get exactly what you want without their input.

It seems to be better when you either just make your movies and ask people to help you as needed, and help them back when they need you. Serve their production in whatever capacity is needed, and vice versa. Since the productions tend to be as thin on the business level as the supposed production companies making them, then why get all involved in emotionally charged situations with partners or production companies?

As is always the case, communication remains the most vital piece of every dispute. If people openly discuss, and be as descriptive as possible about the hierarchy, there tends to be less confusion as to who does what and when. Everyone thinks that everyone can equally participate and they will all be on the same page, but unless you're paying them to be on your page, this rarely works out without a strict guide as to who is in charge of what and who makes the final decisions.

Average: 10 (3 votes)
Ezequiel's picture

NICE-----THIS ADVICE IS PRICELESS!

P R I C E L E S S !

I've made so many mistakes myself. The only thing you can do is learn from them. And you're 100% correct!

But I'll tell you what. I know it's tough when certain people aren't getting paid and they get involved in a project BY THEIR OWN ACCORD, there is still one truth to the effort of making the movie--THERE IS ONLY ONE DIRECTOR. A director holds full creative license. And everyone who gets involved has to know that. If they don't, or refuse to accept that--PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN and when you do, STOMP DOWN WITH THUNDER.

And yes, it is true that without a good team, you can't make a movie. But when someone gets out of line, then you have to take whatever measure is necessary, cause you are the captain.

AND PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHO YOU WORK WITH. It is difficult to figure out what kind of monster they might be--so the best you can really do is look at their professionalism, if something doesn't smell right, then it's true, they're probably full of shit and later end up creating problems.  

For the most part now, for me, what I do now is listen to what they say and how they behave--how they dress--where they live--do they have representation--what they drive------and if all that comes out of their mouths is nothing but negative shit about movies because they believe they know better--THAT'S A RED FLAG--and you walk away.

And for the most part now--I run everything and anything that I'm doing by my manager. This is how I weed out the cocksuckers from the professionals.

So, to all you motherfuckin' schemers, unreasonable sonsabitches, haters, back stabbers, wannabes---here's a message---I'M SO HAPPY I'M NOT ONE OF YOU!

EZEQUIEL

sonnyboo's picture

EZ rules

EZ, you add so much more value to what I write...

 

Everything you said is true. I could write another follow up article on just the idea of WHO TO WORK WITH ON YOUR TEAM. Some people are cool as ice most of the time, from interviewing to pro production, but once you're on set... TOTAL SPAZ that no one can work with. It sucks, but sometimes you have no idea until you're in the thick of it that someone is a backstabbing whiner who can't handle any pressure or simply wanted to wait to usurp any kind of power on set.

Be wary of the wannebe and back seat directors. As the great EZ said, put your foot down and quash that shiite in the bud. 

Ezequiel's picture

ONLY THE GOOD DIE YOU, EVIL SEEMS TO LIVE FOREVER

Sonnyboo knows what I'm talking about, I know what he's talking about--I think both of us have had similar experiences and we relate.

Truth above pride and principle.

Respect yourself. And respect those that respect you.

Trust isn't given away. Trust is earned.

If someone is out to fuck you, eventually, you give them enough rope, and they will hang themselves.

And if you think I'm full of shit, I'm not, cause I'm talking out of experience.

And remember, when someone hates, it's usually cause they hate themselves, and the only way they can be heard is by sending out negative energy, because when someone cannot be productive, they become destructive.

 

RUM FOR THE CAPTAINS!

 

EZEQUIEL

Davonie's picture

I can't see PREpared ORDERS...

... just things that I FIND to SYNCHRONIZE

 

I guess das why I'm socially retarded... hAhA... :) 

 

 

FUCK MONEY... !  I know its showBUSINESS... but its also da ART OF STORY TELLING... in great stories, you'll never know how it ends. 

 

I know I'm still 29, but I've learned and seen that if you're LEGIT in what ever you do, you'll always be provided... no matter what.  If you're blessed, you're blessed...  

 

I no give a fuck about all da details... if it comes together... WHY NOT?

 

Even da Devil helped create some of da greatest stories in da Bible. 

 

CONTRAST... things wouldn't exist without it.  (Davonie Sanchez) 

Ezequiel's picture

HOLD ON A MINUTE...............

I actually just shared this with BigSugar on the phone------ 

When I went to Long Beach Film---the professor asked the class of student directors/editors/dp's "if you're in it for the money, you're going to fail" then he asked, "who's in it for the money?"

I raised my hand. He then said I would fail. And I replyed:

"well, if I don't make any money, that means I failed" 

think about it.

EZEQUIEL

Davonie's picture

hAhA... :)

depends on what game you're playing I guess.

 

I just wanna tell stories, and be PROVIDED to keep doing it... regardless if its a lot, or minimal.

 

Like basketball... da day I stop getting better... stop being PROVIDED with health and creativity to PERFORM & SHOW, will be da day I slow down and put away my shoes.  

 

Its not about winning for me... just being able to PERFORM with my blessings.

Ezequiel's picture

DAVONIE!

One thing that is for certain that applies to all of us---is that at all costs, no matter what, we must work with passion, honesty, truthfullness and continue to develop our craft as filmmakers no matter what. There are no boundaries.

And I hear what you're saying. PERFORM. But don't perform with your best. Perform with your heart.

You go boy! 

EZEQUIEL

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